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Re: US-Asia Peering

  • From: David Diaz
  • Date: Fri Jan 03 10:13:33 2003


Both Stephen and Jeff and correct.

And Im not sure it would be in the best interests of the colo company to be a jack of all trades.

Where I do see a benefit are where an exch pt company wants to start a new one in a new city. It's the classic chicken and the egg. Where I have promoted allowing a beta group of peers to jump in for little or no charge till say peer #6, another solution is to connect that new exch pt to a successful one at another location. Allowing the benefit of new peers at location B to see old peers at location A. This would allow a critical mass of peers immediately, and would allow customer 1 to see benefit.

Some restrictions might have to be in place.

1) Limiting the traffic levels for distance peering. 100meg or 1 Gig would do it
2) Perhaps a time limit

Also, instead of competing with carriers at this new location B, you would actually prove there is business there. Most companies are in a wait and see mode before deploying, or a wait and get an order 1st mode. By jump starting the peering with transport, you then have the data the carrier engineers need to justify a build.

This IS one way to get more successful peering points started.

At 10:05 -0500 1/3/03, Jeff Barrows wrote:
 - Transit providers who came to the exchange point for the purpose of
   picking up transit sales.

 - If the exchange point operator is the one carrying the traffic, they
   lose for competing with their customers in the previous bullet; they
   will have taken the first steps on the path from being an exchange
   point operator to being a network-plus-colo provider (where they'll
   compete with the network-plus-colo providers just coming out of
   bankruptcy with all their debt scraped off).
  i'm still amazed that nobody has brought up the fact that a couple
  of the larger colo/exchange operators that claimed they wouldn't
  compete with their IP customers are indeed selling IP transit--
  intentionally undercutting the prices of the providers that colo'd
  there to sell transit partly because the colo/exchange operator
  kept telling the world that they would never compete with their
  customers in the IP transit space.

  clearly, interconnecting their exchange points to create a richly-
  connected Internet 'core' is a natural progression if their
  customers don't complain too loudly.

  not that it's a bad long-term plan-- but I do agree with Stephen
  in that it'll be tough for them to survive against the debt-free
  big boys if they emerge as clear network-plus-colo competitors
  and lose the few remaining bits of their 'neutral' facade.

 - jsb



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