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RE: IETF SMTP Working Group Proposal at

  • From: Al Rowland
  • Date: Wed Aug 21 18:45:19 2002

If you check on the GNP and Internet statistics for California, you
might come up with a different opinion/order.

i.e. Southern California, fith largest GNP in the world. 11% of
registered domains (although that has changed with dot.bomb, maybe up,
maybe down), etc. Take a look at any Internet map before making
comparisons to .kr, .mx, .br or others. Hint, count major IXs.

Some of the proposals in this thread also have scaling issues. Think
transiting millions of E-mails a day at a reasonable cost to the

Fast, cheap, good. Choose two. McDonalds proves most consumers opt for
the former over the latter. I personally make every effort to be the
exception, but it's an uphill battle. :)

Just my 2

Best regards,
Alan Rowland

-----Original Message-----
From: [] On Behalf Of
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 1:45 PM
To: Gary E. Miller
Subject: Re: IETF SMTP Working Group Proposal at

On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Gary E. Miller wrote:


California and Washington may seem like important jurisdictions, 
but not compared to .kr, .cn, .ru, .br, .mx, or even .ca.   

:I set up a lot of help desks, online shopping carts, etc.  White lists
:do not work in those roles.  The mail is just too all over the place
:and telling a boss that he is only losing a few orders or losing a :few
customers due to a white list is not an option.

I do IT secuirity incident response for about 60k 
people, 45k hosts, their AV gateways, IDS's and firewalls and
I can assure you, spam is a security problem. Security as
a discipline is uniquely positioned to articulate solutions  
to spam. 

Read the site. Read the FAQ and the README files. Mail 
isn't lost, it is queued. See for an example of how it



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