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RE: Reducing Usenet Bandwidth

  • From: Rowland, Alan D
  • Date: Mon Feb 04 13:12:26 2002

Most (reputable American) ISPs are signatories to the DMCA (Digital
Millenium Copyright Act). Not lawsuit necessary, just notification.


Just my 2, feel free to use your delete key.

-----Original Message-----
From: Simon Lyall []
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: Reducing Usenet Bandwidth

On 3 Feb 2002, Paul Vixie wrote:
> Pull it, rather than pushing it.  nntpcache is a localized example of how

Proposed by someone every couple of months for the last 10 years (at
least). The current software (diablo especially) even supports it to a
good extent, however nobody is doing it for some reason.

> Pushing netnews, with or without multicast, with or without binaries, is
> just unthinkable at today's volumes but we do it anyway.  The effect of
> increased volume have decreased the utilization of netnews as a media
> amongst my various friends.

Totally wrong on the non-binaries feed bit. A non-binaries feed is around
1-2GB per day or 100-200kb/s  which is below the noise level for anyone on
this list. Even on the semi 3rd world wages I make I could afford a
non-binaries feed to my house and archive it for less than I spend on

Binaries on the other hand is completely different, most people can't
afford it and we are moving to a centralized model with the supernews
types companies being the only ones with full feeds out there.

I am really surprised that the RIAA and similar groups havn't "gone after"
usenet to any great degree yet. I can't really see how binaries newsgroups
different in any great extent (from the copyright angle) from your random
p2p network.

Once a few lawsuits are issued (does the ISC count as a distributor?)
against the dozen or so top news providers things could be quite

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