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Re: DDoS attacks

  • From: Christopher A. Woodfield
  • Date: Thu Jul 12 13:51:49 2001


There is absolutely no relation whatsover between MAPS and DDoS attacks,
at least in the reality of every NANOG subscriber who's not named Mitch
Halmu, and trying to turn completely unrelated NANOG threads into your
personal soapbox is, IMHO, in extremely poor taste and professional 
judgement. Remember, there are people here who make hiring decisions. You 
never know when you might find yourself interviewing with one of them.

When you stop trying to turn every thread into whining about MAPS and 
your god-given right to run an open relay and every mail server 
admin's divine duty accept email from said open relay, let me know. 
>From a different email address, of course.


On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 01:05:54PM -0400, Mitch Halmu wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Brad wrote:
> > However, the problem here is not-so easy to
> > take care of on the provider(s) end.  I tend to see this
> > problem more-like open-relay issues.  A open-relay SMTP
> > server is just-as much a pain in the rear as a compromised
> > windoze box (if not more) and we have several ways to combat
> > open-relay issues currently through various testing and
> > filtering systems.
> No kidding? Your somewhat twisted "re-education" approach finds 
> it perfectly normal to liken an illegal hacker activity (DDoS) 
> with a perfectly legitimate business operation of an ISP, for
> the "crime" of simply having an open relay SMTP server.
> Well, I happen to think that communications blackholing enterprises 
> such as the one run by former Abovenet boss Dave Rand and Metromedia
> employee Paul Vixie are to be likened to denial of service attacks. 
> There should be no question that the guilty party is the actual
> hacker or spammer. If the legal system doesn't provide ISPs adequate 
> protection under current laws, then new ad-hoc laws should address 
> the problem.
> --Mitch
> NetSide

Christopher A. Woodfield

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