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RE: ** Forged spamming going on

  • From: James D. Wilson
  • Date: Wed Dec 23 00:38:20 1998

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Take it to the rbl-discussion list, Dean.


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James D. Wilson

"non sunt multiplicanda entia praeter necessitatem"
    William of Ockham (1285-1347/49)
 

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From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of
Dean Anderson
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 11:01 AM
To: Jay R. Ashworth
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: ** Forged spamming going on


At 12:59 AM 12/22/1998 -0500, you wrote:
>I begin to think you're being _wilfully perverse_ in your
>misunderstandings of things people state clearly.

Let me clarify things then.  First he said he RBL'ed them "in the
first 6
months of the RBL".  Now they are RBL supporters.  Then read the
"makes no
effort"  The so-called "effort" here is really just "cooperation" with
Paul
Vixie.

I'm not the only one concerned about coercion by the RBL.  I know I'm
not
the only one concerned that the use of this coercion is capricious and
unpredictable, and changes depending on Paul's moods and own
interests.
This was demonstrated quite clearly with the abandonment of rules to
essentially blackmail NetSol into cooperation.

The bottom line is that the RBL is a powerful hammer, and the person
in
control is inclined to act capriciously without concern for anyone
else or
even follow his own rules about their "permitted activities" as he
originally defined them in the pages on qualification for the RBL.

Thats an operational problem.  I think we either need to take the
hammer
away from Paul and give it to someone more even handed and fair about
the
application of the rules, or stop using the hammer altogether. The
latter
alternative is unlikely.

I have argued in the past that the RBL will not acheive its desired
goals.
And I don't think it will, or has.  But I don't deny it certainly does
have
effective power to coerce and influence the industry.  It can clearly
move
big players like earthlink and others.

I can live by whatever rules as long as they are evenly applied to
everyone
else.  I can't live with a powerful instrument like the RBL which is
applied capriciously at Pauls apparent whim.  I think others agree
with this.

		--Dean

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           LAN/WAN/UNIX/NT/TCPIP          http://www.av8.com
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