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Re: RBL Update (Re: Lets go vixie!! rbl)

  • From: Steve Sobol
  • Date: Wed Jun 17 19:56:01 1998

On Wed, Jun 17, 1998 at 07:11:31PM -0400, Dean Anderson wrote:

> I predicted last year, when Cyberpromo was disconnected that "undergound"
> would happen, and that it would be harder to track than when they were
> directly connected, and that it wouldn't make a difference in the amount of
> spam.  All have been proven. Sigh. Sigh.  Those who were pressuring AGIS,
> should send AGIS some money for their lost revenue.

Why? AGIS is still hosting a spamhaus or two.

And while many spammers have gone underground, there is one right here
in Northern Ohio that FINALLY got disconnected earlier this week that was
unrepentant about it.

On and on, ad nauseum. Dean, you insist you're right even when others
offer proof that you're not. It's not a terribly professional thing to do.

> ISP's won't cancel web accounts according to their AUP if the spam wasn't
> sent from those accounts.  So spammers are trying to hide their sending
> accounts using 3rd party relays.
> This is total hypocrisy.  If you have an anti-spam policy, then you should
> enforce it on your customers regardless of where they send the spam from.

If you host a web site, and someone spams an ad for it, yes, the web site
should be nuked.

> [What its hard to tell, and it could be abused to deny services? 

No it isn't. Maybe in your mind it is.

> So I amend my statement that RBL causes 3rd party relaying to be that the
> RBL and hypocritical ISP's cause 3rd party relaying.

Dean, stop while you're behind. You are still wrong. 

> Advertising happens. You can't make it illegal. Maybe you could help
> spammers avoid totally stupid things like sending out 300K attachments
> which just say "look at my web site", but more extreme action is certainly
> destined to fail.  And screw things up for the rest of us.

Yadda, yadda, yadda. You get SO annoyed when people say you're a spammer,
but you spout almost the same BS that the spammers do.

And when you're proven wrong on one point, you try another. And so on,
and so on, ad nauseum.

Steven J. Sobol - Founding Member, Postmaster/Webmaster, ISP Liaison --
Forum for Responsible & Ethical E-mail (FREE) - Dedicated to education about,
and prevention of, Unsolicited Broadcast E-mail (UBE), also known as SPAM.

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