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Re: the iab simplifies internet architecture!
- From: Randy Bush
- Date: Tue Nov 15 11:28:08 2005
>>> It's a two way street; vendors need to listen to the ops folks.
>> because they want to sell their equipment and software to the
> yes, including improving (in various ways) their existing equipment
> and software to make the customer happier.
somehow, the vendors hear from their customers. the problem is
that isp operators are a small portion of the market. so having
enterprise, r&e, gummint, ... at nanog is good as it impacts a
larger target area in the vendors.
when we all agree and mount max pressure, we maybe have a 50%
>>> Ops folks need to participate in the IETF.
>> because they want to sell what? clue? seems unmarketable.
> So that they can affect the protocols that are going to be
> implemented at a stage where they can still be modified to suit
> their needs, scenarios, requirements, etc.
and what success ratio have we had with this? 10%? look at the
poster child for operator success at the ietf, ipv6. it took seven
years to get rid of tla/nla etc. it took eight+ to get rid of
site-local, yet it keeps rearing its head. and we still don't have
squat for routing.