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Re: OT: Yahoo- apparently now an extension of the Chinese govt secret police....

  • From: Bob Arthurs
  • Date: Wed Sep 07 18:09:36 2005



I should add that my original statement pertains to (obviously) the Chinese *government* alone! I am concerned about the repression that the Chinese people experience, and the basic freedoms that they lack.

As far as 'China hate' is concerned- this definately doesn't apply to me- many of my friends are from mainland China, Taiwan, and Hong Kong. I lived for many years in the area, and speak pretty passable Mandarin myself (was pretty fluent, but it has deteriorated a bit, I'm afraid!). So, love the Chinese people, their culture, and history - resent the Chinese government's repression (though I personally believe the Hu Jin Tao *may* turn out to be a great improvement on leaders such as Jiang Zemin, Deng Xiaoping, and obviously Mao Zedong- I hear that Hu Jin Tao even met Hu Yaobang's widow, and plans a commemoration in the Great Hall of the People!!).



From: Joseph S D Yao <jsdy@center.osis.gov>
To: Gadi Evron <ge@linuxbox.org>
CC: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: OT: Yahoo- apparently now an extension of the Chinese govt secret police....
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 17:38:17 -0400


On Thu, Sep 08, 2005 at 12:07:41AM +0200, Gadi Evron wrote:
> >Personally, I see doing business in China about as logical as, say, giving
> >430 6th graders laptops with Internet access, and expecting them to pay
> >attention in the classroom... Oh, and cutting the sports programs to
> >afford those laptops. Man, if someone had given me a laptop in 6th grade,
> >I would have sold it!
>
> Basic Trade:
> Some countries have an abundance of one thing while they lack another.

> So, what they have too much of is cheap, and too little of, is costly.
>
> It goes crazy from that point.
>
> China has a lot of cheap stuff and a lot of cheap labor, and importing
> from China and/or manufacturing in China is good business.
>
> To work in China, one of the biggest markets in the world, you follow
> China's rules. If you don't like the rules you don't have to.
>
> But what you guys spew out is China-hate. Is that the kind of propaganda
> you get fed in schools?
>
> I am happy we've been able to discuss this like adults, here on NANOG.
> After all, this is about human networking.


I do not hate myself or any other Chinese people.

I do hate the lack of respect for human rights shown by the mainland
Chinese government, and the slave labor prisons otherwise known as
"cheap labor".  And the lack of self-respect that allows others to turn
a blind eye to this for their own profit.


--
Joe Yao
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