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Re: New N.Y. Law Targets Hidden Net LD Tolls

  • From: Robert Bonomi
  • Date: Sat Aug 20 10:26:17 2005

> From  Fri Aug 19 14:26:54 2005
> From: "Stephen Sprunk" <>
> To: "Robert Bonomi" <>
> Cc: "North American Noise and Off-topic Gripes" <>
> Subject: Re: New N.Y. Law Targets Hidden Net LD Tolls
> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:20:59 -0500
> Thus spake "Robert Bonomi" <>
> [ attribution to me missing ]
> >> That's why some states (e.g. Texas) require that all toll calls be
> >> dialed as 1+ _regardless of area code_, and local calls cannot be
> >> dialed as 1+.  If you dial a number wrong, you get a message telling
> >> you how to do it properly (and why).
> >
> > In some places that "solution" is _not_practical_.  As in where the same
> > three digit sequence is in use as a C.O. 'prefix', *and* as an areacode.
> > (an where, in some 'perverse' situations, the foreign area-code is a
> > 'non-toll' call, yet the bare prefix within the areacode is a toll call.
> We don't have that problem because all nearby area codes are reserved as 
> prefixes.  For instance, if 214 and 817 are nearby, there exist no 214-817 
> or 817-214 numbers (or 214-214 or 817-817).  Duh?

All well and good.

*UNTIL* you get assigned an NXX NPA that is _already_ in use as a prefix.
  773, 847, and 630  were _all_ in use as prefixes within the 312 area-code
  (and in the split-off 708 areacode as well) before those sequences were 
  "legal" as an area-code.

"Now What?" applies.  <wry grin>
> That isn't even necessary, though; if 214-817 existed, there's no way of 
> confusing it with 817-xxx because all calls are either 10D or 11D.

Maybe in *your* territory.  :)

In 312/708/630/847/773/224, dialing patterns are 7D or 11D  ( 847/224 is
11D only)
>                                                                     Such a 
> tactic is only needed during the transition from 7D to 10D local dialing, 
> which happened here a decade ago.

Lots of places have *NOT* made that transition.  It is fairly _expensive_ for 
the telcos to implement.

> For the same reason, we no longer have an excuse for not using 0XX, 1XX, and 
> X11 as prefixes. 

"Speak for yourself, John" applies.  _Mandatory_ 10D dialing does *not* exist
(yet) in *many* areas

Mandatory 10D dialing does have non-trivial costs associated with it -- both 
to the telco, and to the customers thereof.

There _is_ a significant performance issue -- and directly related increased 
costs -- in supporting mixed 7D and 10D dialing.

To use 1+ for "toll alerting", in locales where intra-NPA can be toll, and
inter-NPA can be local, you have to incur one of those sets of increased
expenses. And the 'inconveniences' to the customer.

It is a trade-off as to which is 'worse' for the customer.  <wry grin>
Different utility commissions have decided that issue in different ways.

>                   We're already using [2-7]00 prefixes, but I'm not 
> surprised we don't yet (AFAICT) have 800 and 900 prefixes.  We could 
> probably drop an entire area code if they started assigning those "reserved" 
> prefixes.

1-800-800, at least, has been in use for a number of years.
and I'm pretty sure I've seen  1-800-900 numbers.

> > It also becomes 'utterly meaningless', when _all_ calls incur a usage
> > ("message units" or something similar) charge.
> Our PUC would be thrown out on their heads if they suggested that was even 
> an option; I'd suggest you look a little closer at your own and possibly do 
> some lobbying.

You need a more cosmopolitian view --  This scheme has been in effect for
20 years, locally.  *NO* chance of getting it reversed.  In other major 
metro areas something very similar has been in effect for much longer.
Most big-city systems have charged on such a basis for a long time now.,

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