Merit Network
Can't find what you're looking for? Search the Mail Archives.
  About Merit   Services   Network   Resources & Support   Network Research   News   Events   Home

Discussion Communities: Merit Network Email List Archives

North American Network Operators Group

Date Prev | Date Next | Date Index | Thread Index | Author Index | Historical

Re: Email peering

  • From: John Levine
  • Date: Sat Jun 18 03:26:10 2005

>In between the choice of accepting mail from *anybody* by default
>which we have now and the choice of accepting mail from *nobody* by
>default that explicit peering agreements represents there is another
>solution; which is to accept mail only from IPs that have *some
>relation* to the sender's From domain, for example by MX record or by
>reverse DNS (we implemented that test and call it MX+).

This has the same problem as all of the other duct tape authorization
schemes -- it breaks a lot of valid e-mail, so that you have to
maintain a painfully large manual exception table, or write off a lot
of mail that your users will not forgive you for losing, or more
likely, both.

In this particular case, the biggest issue is forwarders, commercial
ones like, associations like the ACM and IEEE (I get some
odd mail being uucp at, and large numbers of colleges
and universities which let graduates keep their email address.  In all
of those cases, the users send mail from their own ISPs, whatever they
are, inbound mail is forwarded back to the ISP accounts, and there is
no way to enumerate the valid sources of mail.  

There's also plenty of domains where the inbound and outbound mail
servers are different, and neither one matches the domain name of the
mail.  For example, I host about 300 small mail domains on a pop
toaster here.  The MX is, and the outbound host that
many but not all of them use is  (Mail for
itself is on another host.)  The IPs all happen to be in the same /24,
but guessing whether two IPs are "close enough" is a poor way to
authenticate or authorize anything.

Before you point out that they could change the way those systems work
to be compatible with your scheme, well, duh, sure.  But if you're
going to make people change their existing working mail setups,
there's little point in going through the vast cost of a widespread
change for such a marginal benefit.  Read archives of SPF mailing
lists for endless flamage on this topic, since SPF has the same

John Levine,, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
Information Superhighwayman wanna-be,, Mayor
"A book is a sneeze." - E.B. White, on the writing of Charlotte's Web

Discussion Communities

About Merit | Services | Network | Resources & Support | Network Research
News | Events | Contact | Site Map | Merit Network Home

Merit Network, Inc.