Re: Verizon Offering Naked DSL in Northeast...

[Alex Rubenstein]

> I personally still don't like the stability of SBC's PPPOE implementations 
> and tunnels.  I prefer Verizon's setup much more.
I am not sure what Verizon you are talking about, but the Verizon in my 
area (aka Bell Atlantic, aka New Jersey Bell) (at least used to) have, for 
some reason, have a cat 5000 in between us and the DSLAM. We see about 27 
or so PVC's for the whole state. Verizon refers to these PVC's as PVC's to 
each 'switch.' Conjecture is that there is some insane type of LANE and 
god knows what going on. You run PPPOE over this, and in some limited 
cases, it's stable.

Sprint (aka United Telephone) in our area (northern NJ), IMHO, does things 
'right', or at least best of all the players we've dealt with through the 
years. They provide a L2TP tunnel to you over an ATM-IP link, which the 
other end of is on a Redback SMS of sorts. You see all of your clients as 
PPPoEoL2TP. As hackery as it sounds, it works and is quite stable.

Yes, many LECs under your feet is interesting. Within 100 miles of our 
office, we have more than I can even think of (Verizon-NJ Bell, 
Verizon-NYNEX, Verizon-PA, Verizon-GTE, Sprint/United, Warwick Valley 
Telephone, SBC-SNET, Citizens-Frontier, RCI-Frontier.




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