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Re: Corporations becoming a LIR
- From: Tom Vest
- Date: Fri May 07 20:52:08 2004
I find the information under the individual LIR entries interesting.
For example, I looked under CN (China) and found 14 European LIRs. I
couldn't find any explanation for the "serviced areas" field in the LIR
refbook -- what exactly does it mean? In this particular case, it could
not mean that the entities are providing IR services to Chinese
operators for local production needs. Nor would it be possible for
these entities to provide IR services to non-Chinese operators for
local use, with the (still unlikely I think) exception of the LIRs' own
internal enterprise networks (e.g., Siemens provisioning its own CN
corporate network). Could they be servicing Chinese network operators
seeking to break into Europe? No such operators exist, except perhaps
the few telcos that are already APNIC members and handle their own
Maybe the "serviced areas" field is simply one of those questions that
means "whatever the applicant thinks it means," i.e., it's technically
meaningless (each respondent would have to independently translate it
into terms that are meaningful to others)? Some clarification here
would be much appreciated!
On May 7, 2004, at 3:00 AM, leo vegoda wrote:
On May 7, 2004, at 12:02 am, Drumm, Dan wrote:
We now have a European division, Ball-Europe
(http://www.ball-europe.com). They have RFC 1918 addressing
internally, and have the usual problems with NAT and overload
There's no problem with you becoming and LIR and requesting address
space from us. Membership is open to everyone and we'll be happy to
help you out. If you want to discuss anything then let me know and we
can have a chat on the telephone.
I’m starting the process of filling out an application to register
the company, based in Ratingen, DE with RIPE as a Local Internet
Registry (LIR) so that we can request a /18 (or /17 if we can get
one) for the 40 some production facilities of Ball-Europe, each of
which will come across a VPN network and be presented in one block to
the ISP uplinks.
I was wondering, basically, if I have any chance at this? While RIPE
clearly states the admission policy is open to any organization, in
order to get PIR (Provider Independent routing) being a RIPE NCC is
required, and I don’t know if a corporation would have a shot.
Currently, we are not an ARIN member, but hold the Class B.
The corporation exists in 6 EU nations, and I can demonstrate the
requirement for >2048 individual IP addresses.
In fact, the RIPE community removed the requirement to demonstrate
usage of existing address space when it lowered the minimum allocation
to /21. We expect to update the IPv4 policy document when the two
policies in Last Call status have reached consensus (or not) from our
Registration Services Manager