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Re: Corporations becoming a LIR

  • From: Tom Vest
  • Date: Fri May 07 20:52:08 2004

Hi Leo,

I find the information under the individual LIR entries interesting. For example, I looked under CN (China) and found 14 European LIRs. I couldn't find any explanation for the "serviced areas" field in the LIR refbook -- what exactly does it mean? In this particular case, it could not mean that the entities are providing IR services to Chinese operators for local production needs. Nor would it be possible for these entities to provide IR services to non-Chinese operators for local use, with the (still unlikely I think) exception of the LIRs' own internal enterprise networks (e.g., Siemens provisioning its own CN corporate network). Could they be servicing Chinese network operators seeking to break into Europe? No such operators exist, except perhaps the few telcos that are already APNIC members and handle their own needs.

Maybe the "serviced areas" field is simply one of those questions that means "whatever the applicant thinks it means," i.e., it's technically meaningless (each respondent would have to independently translate it into terms that are meaningful to others)? Some clarification here would be much appreciated!


On May 7, 2004, at 3:00 AM, leo vegoda wrote:

Hi Dan,

On May 7, 2004, at 12:02 am, Drumm, Dan wrote:


We now have a European division, Ball-Europe ( They have RFC 1918 addressing internally, and have the usual problems with NAT and overload addressing.

I’m starting the process of filling out an application to register the company, based in Ratingen, DE with RIPE as a Local Internet Registry (LIR) so that we can request a /18 (or /17 if we can get one) for the 40 some production facilities of Ball-Europe, each of which will come across a VPN network and be presented in one block to the ISP uplinks.

I was wondering, basically, if I have any chance at this? While RIPE clearly states the admission policy is open to any organization, in order to get PIR (Provider Independent routing) being a RIPE NCC is required, and I don’t know if a corporation would have a shot. Currently, we are not an ARIN member, but hold the Class B.
There's no problem with you becoming and LIR and requesting address space from us. Membership is open to everyone and we'll be happy to help you out. If you want to discuss anything then let me know and we can have a chat on the telephone.

The corporation exists in 6 EU nations, and I can demonstrate the requirement for >2048 individual IP addresses.
In fact, the RIPE community removed the requirement to demonstrate usage of existing address space when it lowered the minimum allocation to /21. We expect to update the IPv4 policy document when the two policies in Last Call status have reached consensus (or not) from our community.

Best regards,

leo vegoda
Registration Services Manager

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