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RE: Will your cisco have the FBI's IOS?

  • From: Scott McGrath
  • Date: Mon Mar 15 11:03:05 2004

This is part of a law enforcement wishlist which has been around for a
long time (See Magic Lantern, Clipper Chip et. al. for examples).

What is desired here is a system by which all communications
originating/or terminating at $DESIGNATED_TARGET can be intercepted with
no intervention by and/or knowledge of the carrier hence ensuring the
security of the investigation.

The trouble with a system like this is that like all backdoors it can be
exploited by non-legitimate users but law enforcement personnel tend to
have a very limited understanding of technology and communications tech
especially since to the majority of LEA's AOL == Internet many local LEA's
their only internet access is AOL.

I've been asked how do you track down all $NET_MISCREANTS in town.  I told
the chief that it requires good old fashioned police work.  The net is not
magic and is decentralized.   But what is wanted is a centralized place
where with the press of a button you can see who Joe Smith has been
talking to, sending email to and what web pages he is looking at to make
investigations easy from a civil liberties standpoint that is a _bad_
thing human nature being what it is.

It is our job as members of the NANOG community to educate our politicians
and police so that we do not end up living in a system which would be the
envy of the Stasi and the Soviet era KGB

                            Scott C. McGrath

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004, Sean Donelan wrote:

> On Sat, 13 Mar 2004, Christopher J. Wolff wrote:
> > I believe that CALEA versions of IOS are already available on  It
> > has a backdoor for any traffic originating from address space. ;)
> If law enforcement was satisified with the solutions already available, I
> don't think they would have spent the time creating this filing.  It's
> probably a good idea for anyone associated in the Internet industry to
> read the filing because it may be requesting the FCC change definitions
> of who is covered and what they must do. Even if you thought CALEA didn't
> apply to you for the last 10 years; you might find out after this you will
> be required to provide complete CALEA capabilities.  The requested
> "capabilities" may be more than are currently available from vendors.
> Do you know what is the difference between "call-identifying information"
> and "communications-identifying information"?  They both have the intials
> CII.  What is the difference between the phone number of a fax machine and
> the from/to lines on the cover page of the fax?

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