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Re: UUNet Offer New Protection Against DDoS

  • From: Mark Kasten
  • Date: Wed Mar 03 18:40:13 2004

We actually accept up to the customers aggregate.  So if they have a /16, they can tag the whole /16.  And we do not tag no-export.  I saw some time ago on a list, and I think Bill Manning suggested it, that if you are getting bits for unused address space, to announce that address space (up to host specific) with the DDoS community string.  That keeps the packets off of your link and thus you don't get charged for them.  The same can be done in reverse.  We have a customer that is advertising their larger block with the DDoS community string, and then advertising the addresses they are actually using more specifically, so we blackhole everything less specific.  These are a couple of applications that can be utilized if you don't tag no-export and accept more than just /32's within their address space.  FWIW.


Also, we are utilizing Juniper's DCU for tracebacks, which makes life MUCH easier when tracing an attack.  :-)  SNMP polling the DCU counters every few minutes is relatively fast and painless, and provides quick results.


Mark


Lumenello, Jason wrote:
Oh, and I strip their communities, and apply no-export, on the first
term of my route map so the /32 does not get out. Of course my peer
facing policy requires specific communities to get out as well (belt and
suspenders).

This method works very well, and you do not have to give up length
restrictions or maintain two sets of customer prefix/access lists.

Jason

  
-----Original Message-----
From: Lumenello, Jason
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 4:52 PM
To: 'Stephen J. Wilcox'; james
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: RE: UUNet Offer New Protection Against DDoS

I struggled with this, and came up with the following.

We basically use a standard route-map for all customers where the
    
first
  
term looks for the community. The customer also has a prefix-list on
    
their
  
neighbor statement allowing their blocks le /32. The following terms
    
(term
  
2 and above) in the route-map which do NOT look for the customer
    
discard
  
community, have a different standard/generic prefix-list evaluation
    
which
  
blocks cruft and permits 0.0.0.0/0 ge 8 le 24.

By doing this, I only accept a customer /32 from his dedicated
    
prefix-list
  
when it has the DOS discard community, otherwise I catch them with the
    
ge
  
8 le 24 in the following terms.

Jason Lumenello
IP Engineering
XO Communications

    
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf
      
Of
  
Stephen J. Wilcox
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 3:48 PM
To: james
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: UUNet Offer New Protection Against DDoS



I'm puzzled by one aspect on the implementation.. how to build your
customer
prefix filters.. that is, we have prefix-lists for prefix and
      
length.
  
Therefore
at present we can only accept a tagged route for a whole block.. not
      
good
    
if the
announcement is a /16 etc !

Now, I could do as per the website at secsup.org which means we have
      
a
  
route-map
entry to match the community before the filtering .. but that would
      
allow
    
the
customer to null route any ip.

What we need is one to allow them to announce any route including
      
more
  
specifics of the prefix list - how are folks doing this?

Steve

On Wed, 3 Mar 2004, james wrote:

      
Global Crossing has this, already in production.
I was on the phone with Qwest yesterday & this was one
of this things I asked about. Qwest indicated they are
going to deploy this shortly. (i.e., send routes tagged with
a community which they will set to null)


James Edwards
Routing and Security
jamesh@cybermesa.com
At the Santa Fe Office: Internet at Cyber Mesa
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505-988-9200 SIP:1(747)669-1965


        

  



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