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Re: East Coast outage?

  • From: David Lesher
  • Date: Fri Aug 15 23:42:21 2003

Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered:
> > It seems to me that the power guys are still living somewhere in the 
> > last century. Is it really impossible to absorb power spikes? We can go 
> > from utility to battery or the other way around in milliseconds, so it 
> How many kVA are *you* switching?
> How many kVA are running through those big 765kv lines?
> This is what a *circuit breaker* looks like at those sizes:
> 8000 amps at 765kv.
> And that's just to *break* the circuit without vaporizing itself in the process.

At last, someone with clue. But note the minor details missing in the url: 
price, and lead time.

Plus, the 'last century' guy needs to do a little math. Sure
we can store 50-500 joules. BFD. But the gap between that and that
768KV going flat out is many orders of magnitude more than between
oh 110BPS and OC-48.

The basic issue with all the power nets is really simple to
grasp, in NANOG terms:

	Redundancy co$t$ -- who wants to pay??????

The power industry had no telecom bubble to overbuild
facilities. It's easy to go from OC-48 to OC-96, right? It's far
far harder to double the capacity of a 500 mile or even a 100
mile line. 
	FIRST, there's the money. 
	Then there's the politics.
	Only THEN do you hit the lead-time issue.
	And then....

And to put it another way...

You have a buncha OC circuits, and get hit by backhoe fade. After
you patch the fiber, you first have to junk the ci$co boxes at
both ends because they blew up when the fiber broke. To restart,
you then must get a sync signal from Hillsburo, get everything
all on key & in tune, and then you start the smallest box, the
next one, then finally....  Do it wrong and you get another Star
Trek Bridge panel scene.

A host is a host from coast to
& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

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