Merit Network
Can't find what you're looking for? Search the Mail Archives.
  About Merit   Services   Network   Resources & Support   Network Research   News   Events   Home

Discussion Communities: Merit Network Email List Archives

North American Network Operators Group

Date Prev | Date Next | Date Index | Thread Index | Author Index | Historical

RE: East Coast outage?

  • From: Stephen J. Wilcox
  • Date: Fri Aug 15 18:48:22 2003

On Fri, 15 Aug 2003, Ejay Hire wrote:

> I similar technology has been discussed before, and I believe it is still a
> viable option:  RFCs 1149 and 2549, Avian Carriers.  While avian carriers do
> present problems, (flapping, unpredictable delay, queuing issues, and buggy
> implementations (specifically lice and mites)), I believe they are a better
> option than IP via Balloon.  Balloons offer higher bandwidth (practically any
> payload size can be accommodated with a larger envelope), but the connection
> is much slower and less predictable than avian carrier.  Balloon carrier
> retransmits are very expensive and the TTL is affected by the cost of propane
> and the general wind direction.

Interesting, altho avian carriers is in the RFCs and has actually been used,
balloons have not, perhaps you should do an experiment to compare them ;p
> As an alternative, perhaps we should consider IP via dirigible.  A properly
> sized airship loaded with a high speed DVD-rw library comprising (tens of )
> thousands of discs providing a very high bandwidth, high latency, low loss (if
> helium is used instead of hydrogen) carrier might be an option.

Actually I think that was a spin-off of the thread not so long ago where they 
broke the data speed record. Carrying such a quantity of DVDs (or similar media) 
on a plane such as concorde does produce higher bandwidths than current "fat 


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Petri Helenius [] 
> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 4:50 PM
> To:; Rich Casto
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: East Coast outage?
> > > subsidize) local power generation via renewable energy sources (e.g.
> > > solar, wind, hydro) it would go a long way towards solving this problem.
> >
> > Rubbish.
> >
> > If in order to make it viable such energy needs to be subsidized then it is
> > not "affordable".
> >
> And solar nor wind are good for base energy production so were stuck
> with other methods unless you want to move IP packets only when its windy.
> Maybe we could attach the packets to hot air balloons and send them with the wind?
> Pete

Discussion Communities

About Merit | Services | Network | Resources & Support | Network Research
News | Events | Contact | Site Map | Merit Network Home

Merit Network, Inc.