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Re: Remote email access

  • From: Jack Bates
  • Date: Thu Jan 30 21:31:46 2003

From: "Dave Crocker"

> The goal is to obtain a coherent recommendation that is acceptable to
> the Ops and the Email communities.
Email communities? You can't even get people to do proper reverse or secure
open relays. A large section of the 'net isn't RFC compliant. Most servers
are privately hacked so that no two are alike. And if an ISP is large enough
and known for distributing information you don't want in your network,
you're forced to accept it because your customers demand access to some of
their customers. Most people are ill informed and have no conception of what
the Internet is or how it works. Nor do they care. They just want to go
access information from so and so site and don't care that the information
they want forces you to allow traffic to pass between your network and a
network that doesn't handle abuse@ complaints, keeps a poor rwhois database,
allows customers to be signed up with falsified POCs for IP assignment as
well as domain assignment, and trashes your servers with garbage such as
spam knowingly. A community would imply people of like mind and
collaboration. Yet it is the people who know the least that are making the


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