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Re: no ip forged-source-address

  • From: Hank Nussbacher
  • Date: Wed Oct 30 14:28:37 2002

On Wed, 30 Oct 2002 variable@ednet.co.uk wrote:

If every router in the world did this I could still use spoofed IP
addresses and DDOS someone.  My little program could determine what subnet
I am on, check what other hosts are alive on the subnet and then when it
decides to attack, it would use some neighbor's IP.  The subnet I am on is
a /24 and there very well may be a few dozen hosts.  I could be real
sneaky and alter my IP randomly to be any of my neighbors for every packet
I send out.

Traceback would get me instantly back to the offending subnet but then it
would take a bit of digging on the network admin to track me down and
applying RPF checking won't help.

RPF checking can only go so far.  You would need RPF checking down to the
host level and I haven't heard anyone discuss that yet.

-Hank

> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've been following the discussion on DDoS attacks over the last few weeks
> and our network has also recently been the target of a sustained DDoS
> attack.I'm not alone in believing that source address filters are the
> simplest way to prevent the types of DDoS traffic that we have all been
> seeing with increasing regularity.Reading the comments on this list have
> lead me to believe that there is a lot of inertia involved in applying
> what appears to me as very simple filters.
> 
> As with the smurf attacks a few years ago, best practice documents and
> RFC's don't appear to be effective.I realise that configuring and
> applying a source address filter is trivial, but not enough network admins
> seem to be taking the time to lock this down.If the equipment had
> sensible defaults (with the option to bypass them if required), then
> perhaps this would be less of an issue.
> 
> Therefore, would it be a reasonable suggestion to ask router vendors to
> source address filtering in as an option[1] on the interface and then move
> it to being the default setting[2] after a period of time?This appeared
> to have some success with reducing the number of networks that forwarded
> broadcast packets (as with "no ip directed-broadcast").
> 
> Just my $0.02,
> 
> 
> Richard Morrell
> edNET
> 
> [1] For example, an IOS config might be:
> 
> interface fastethernet 1/0
>  no ip forged-source-address
> 
> [2] Network admins would still have the option of turning it off, but this
> would have to be explicitly configured.
> 
> 
> 







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