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Re: ICANN Targets DDoS Attacks
- From: Jared Mauch
- Date: Tue Oct 29 16:15:54 2002
On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 01:03:52PM -0800, Jeff Shultz wrote:
> >> On 10/29/2002 at 3:40 PM Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
> >> >On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 22:25:44 +0200, Petri Helenius <email@example.com>
> >> said:
> >> >
> >> >> Why would you like to regulate my ability to transmit and receive
> >> data
> >> >> using ECHO and ECHO_REPLY packets? Why they are considered
> >> >> harmful?
> >> >
> >> >Smurf.
> >> >
> >> Okay. What will this do to my user's ping and traceroute times, if
> >> anything? I've got users who tend to panic if their latency hits
> >> between here and the moon (slight exaggeration, but only slight).
> >> I just love it when I've got people blaming me because the 20th hop
> >> a traceroute starts returning * * * instead of times.
> > that's icmp ttl expired messages.
> I know that, and I try to explain it to my customers... but it doesn't
> answer the first part of the question - what will throttling ICMP do to
> ping and traceroute times? My gut reaction is that it will a. slow them
Or only icmp echo and icmp echo-reply messages?
In a well behaved router, nothing. Obviously if you have
a 7500 or older GSR linecards that are incapable of doing this due to
design problems from day one in pps rates and feature path, there
may be a hit.
I'm not saying rate-limit anything other than echo+reply.
> down and/or b. discard a lot of them making the circuit look unreliable
> to ping. But I don't know enough about the underlying technology to be
> sure of that.
Once again, i'd like to see (other than a performance
checking customer) generate more than 2Mb/s of icmp.echo and icmp.echo-reply
packets that are legit and not part of a DoS. This is quite rare.
Do your own stats and test your hardware.
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