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Re: How do you stop outgoing spam?

  • From: Barry Shein
  • Date: Wed Sep 11 15:57:11 2002

And locking your car, taking the keys, setting the alarm or whatever
doesn't guarantee someone won't load it into a soundproof truck.


And having run an ISP for 13 years now I'm here to tell you what I say
HELPS. I'm not just making this stuff up, I'm telling you what I know
from experience.

Spammers et al look for easy marks they don't have to compound their
crimes with.

As to CyberCafes, I don't know anything about those, never used one,
never thought about it, surprised they'd be popular with spammers.


On September 11, 2002 at 14:12 (Brad Knowles) wrote:
 > At 2:37 PM -0400 2002/09/10, Barry Shein wrote:
 > >  A) Make a clear policy as part of the terms & conditions, including a
 > >  significant clean-up fee + direct charges (e.g., if they ask you or
 > >  prompt a legal question they can pay the legal fee for you to get it
 > >  answered.)
 > 	That's nice to have, but hard to enforce.  That is, unless you 
 > ask for a large up-front cash deposit.
 > >  a credit card or verify the phone number and other info (e.g., call
 > >  them back, insist on calling them back.)
 > 	Do you know how many credit cards are out there?  Do you know how 
 > many of them are fake or stolen?  You can't even get a decent charge 
 > that you can reliably apply to them, because the bank at the other 
 > end will refuse payment from a non-existent or closed account.
 > >  C) Use (B) to enforce (A).
 > 	Doesn't work.  See above.
 > >  The problem in 99% of the cases is either (B) or ISPs who just don't
 > >  care at all.
 > 	CyberCafe's can't use (B), even if it did work.  That would 
 > violate their basic premise.
 > -- 
 > Brad Knowles, <>
 > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
 > safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
 >      -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.
 > GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E W+++(--) N+ !w---
 > O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
 > tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)

        -Barry Shein

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