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RE: Vulnerbilities of Interconnection

  • From: alex
  • Date: Fri Sep 06 08:26:26 2002

> My explanation accounts for suicide bombers in the statement: "Even
> terrorist that will die to kill will probably not die to
> inconvenience."  This does not presume a western value system, either,
> as somebody suggested.  Many a terrorist will gladly give their lives
> to destroy a hated enemy, or to terrify them, or to change their way
> of life.  I cannot believe, however, that there are people who will
> give their lives to increase the download times for porn for a few
> days.

Taking out an a collo would more than just increase time to download porn
for a few days.


alex

> 
> -Dave
> 
> On 9/5/2002 at 13:49:29 -0700, Al Rowland said:
> > To reinforce a dissenting opinion, And your explanation accounts for
> > suicide bombers how? I would think a smoking hole in the ground
> > containing a train or whatever, particularly if lose of life is
> > involved, would be much more appealing to the motivations of most
> > terrorists than a couple of computers with blue screens of death. I
> > would think 9-11 would provide a compelling example of current terrorist
> > practice.
> > 
> > Just my 2
> > 
> > Best regards,
> > _________________________
> > Alan Rowland
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of
> > Dave Israel
> > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 1:29 PM
> > To: alex@yuriev.com
> > Cc: Dave Israel; sgorman1@gmu.edu; nanog@merit.edu
> > Subject: Re: Vulnerbilities of Interconnection
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 9/5/2002 at 16:01:02 -0400, alex@yuriev.com said:
> > > > 
> > > > The thing is, the major cuts are not "attacks;" the backhoe 
> > > > operators aren't gunning for our fiber (no matter how much it seems 
> > > > like they are).  If I wanted to disrupt traffic, intentionally and 
> > > > maliciously, I would not derail a train into a fiber path.  Doing so
> > 
> > > > would be very difficult, and the legal ramifications (murder, 
> > > > destruction of property, etc, etc) are quite clear and severe.  
> > > > However, if I ping-bomb you from a thousand "0wn3d" PCs on cable 
> > > > modems, I never had to leave my parents' basement, I'm harder to 
> > > > trace by normal police methods, and the question of which laws that 
> > > > can be applied to me is less clear.
> > > 
> > > This fails to address how this affects someone who has no problem with
> > 
> > > legal ramfications - i.e. a terrorist.
> > 
> > Even a terrorist will tend towards things that allow him to continue to
> > be a terrorist.  If I can do X amount of damage, and get caught, or do X
> > amount of damage, and not get caught, then he'll do the second. Even a
> > terrorist that will die to kill will probably not die to inconvenience.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 

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