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Re: IETF SMTP Working Group Proposal at

  • From: Gary E. Miller
  • Date: Wed Aug 21 15:57:16 2002

Yo batz!

On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, batz wrote:

> Actually, I'm bang on. :)

Or banging around senselessly...

> It's not a legal problem, yet.
Then how do you account for all the lawsuits?  MAPS would love to hear
you say they have no legal problems.  The CA and WA legislatures that
passed laws defineing and banning spam would love to hear you as well.

> :Put those two together and no technical solution will fix the problem.
> Actually it will. The model that TMDA uses (whitelists and confirmed
> corespondant registration with the recipient) is partial  example of a
> solution that will make all spam an explicit case of unauthorized
> access, which can then be a legal issue.

I set up a lot of help desks, online shopping carts, etc.  White lists
do not work in those roles.  The mail is just too all over the place
and telling a boss that he is only losing a few orders or losing a
few customers due to a white list is not an option.

A lot of tech support calls are people emailing to say they are on
a friends account and locked out of their real account, or forgot
their password, or...

> No Policy = No Crime.  Until users have adequate tools and
> protocol support to control of what comes into their mailboxes,
> there will be spam.

Policies do not define crimes, Common Law and Written Law do.

Gary E. Miller Rellim 20340 Empire Blvd, Suite E-3, Bend, OR 97701  Tel:+1(541)382-8588 Fax: +1(541)382-8676

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