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Re: Deaggregating for emergency purposes

  • From: John M. Brown
  • Date: Tue Aug 06 01:53:35 2002

Yes, obscure places will feel the "pain" of their error more than others.

Personally, I haven't seen this be a real problem.  Eg, not a once a month
major melt down type of an issue.

john brown
chagres technologies, inc


On Mon, Aug 05, 2002 at 09:23:47PM -0500, jnull wrote:
> 
> I usually don't play the "what if" game, as there will always be exception, but.
> ... If the upstream provider is obscure, remote, or incompetent odds are their A
> S path is equally obscure, remote, or incompetent. A subsection of the globe may
>  by holed until reasonable parties can be contacted. Advertising deaggragated ro
> utes my be a viable temporary solution for misconfigurations--and other than a f
> ew angelic engineers, no one would fault you--but malevolent configurations woul
> d most certainly be /24. I believe a discussion once occurred here advocating BG
> P authentication using some distributed source for AS verification, and while I
> believe such a process is feasible, I advocate an open community in a heirarchic
> al model to enforce good policy. 
> 
> HMM, I swear I had a point when I started...
> 
> --
> sig=$header
> 
> 
> Phil Rosenthal(pr@isprime.com)@2002.08.05 21:00:55 +0000:
> > 
> > But the question is, what do you do if it's coming from somewhere with a
> > difficult to contact NOC, and their upstream is difficult to contact as
> > well?
> > 
> > --Phil
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John M. Brown [mailto:jmbrown@ihighway.net] 
> > Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 8:12 PM
> > To: Phil Rosenthal
> > Cc: nanog@merit.edu
> > Subject: Re: Deaggregating for emergency purposes
> > 
> > 
> > Hmm, this would be a "Bad Idea" (TM) (C) 2002, DMCA Protected
> > 
> > Having had this happen to me several different times, I'd have to 
> > recommend, calling the NOC of the advertising party. as the pref'd way
> > of handling it.
> > 
> > On Mon, Aug 05, 2002 at 06:41:22PM -0400, Phil Rosenthal wrote:
> > > 
> > > I am currently announcing only my aggregate routes, but I have lately 
> > > thought about the possibility of someone mistakenly, or maliciously, 
> > > announcing more specifics from my space. The best solution for an 
> > > emergency response to that (that I can think of), is registering all 
> > > of the /24's that make up my network, so if someone should announce a 
> > > more-specific, I can always announce the most specific that would be 
> > > accepted (assuming they don't announce the /24's too, it should be a 
> > > problem avoided)
> > > 
> > > Does anyone else have any other ideas on ways to quickly deal with 
> > > someone else announcing your more specifics, since contacting their 
> > > NOC is likely going to take a long time...
> > > 
> > > --Phil
> > > 
> > 
> 




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