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  • From: Benjamin P. Grubin
  • Date: Fri Jun 21 00:26:37 2002

I am a 99% lurker, but I didn't assume you were beating around the bush.
It *seems* to me that in response to complaints about how several
blacklists were run you said that because blacklists are subscription
services, and everyone has a choice whether or not to use them, that the
poorly-operated blacklists are not dangerous.  That implies (to me!) an
understatement of the potential effect of poorly-operated blacklists.
If I am wrong in that implication, I apologise.

Benjamin P. Grubin, CISSP, GIAC
Information Security Consulting

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [] On 
> Behalf Of Steven J. Sobol
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 11:13 PM
> To: Benjamin P. Grubin
> Cc: 'Dan Hollis'; 'Regis M. Donovan';
> Subject: RE: SPEWS?
> On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Benjamin P. Grubin wrote:
> > Saying that a report is voluntary and/or advisory gets more and more
> > irrelevant as rate of adoption increases.  Yes, the 
> thousands of credit
> > card companies could choose to evaluate you in any manner 
> they wish, but
> > yet they *all* judge you solely on your credit report.  So 
> in *reality*,
> > is it really still useful to say it is voluntary and 
> advisory therefore
> > undeserving of scrutiny/complaint?
> I'm really not sure why you're making these assumptions. I don't beat 
> around the bush... I've never seen you on NANOG before, nor 
> have I talked
> to you in any other venue, so I assume you aren't aware of 
> that particular 
> point. I didn't say SPEWS or any other listing service was 
> undeserving of
> scrutiny. I didn't even try to imply that.
> -- 
> Steve Sobol, CTO LLC, Mentor On The Lake, OH  
> 888.480.4NET
> - I do my best work with one of my cockatiels sitting on each 
> shoulder -
> 6/4/02:A USA TODAY poll found that 80% of Catholics advocated 
> a zero-tolerance 
> stance towards abusive priests. The fact that 20% didn't, scares me...

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