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Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server.

  • From: David Conrad
  • Date: Thu Jun 06 12:02:45 2002

Hi,

Just as a (potentially self-serving, apologies if this offends) aside, there
are several companies that specialize in DNS hosting out there.  The one
that I'm most familiar with (Nominum's), co-locates our equipment at IXPs,
has an open peering policy (of course), and has multiple (paid) transit
providers.  We decided upon this approach for exactly the reasons you
indicate: they tend to be both more stable and more neutral than ISPs.  We
also believe locating at IXPs can reduce latency and improve performance.
We were already providing secondary for one of the TLDs affected by
ns.eu.net going away and would, of course, be happy to provide services to
others.

Rgds,
-drc

On 6/6/02 7:07 AM, "Nipper, Arnold" <arnold.nipper@de-cix.net> wrote:

> 
> As a lot of people are offering secondary services: may be it's a good idea
> to place infrastructural services at IXP. IXP seem to be more stable than
> any ISPs and often more neutral than ISPs.
> 
> Comments?
> 
> 
> Arnold
> --
> Arnold Nipper, DE-CIX, the German Internet Exchange
> email: arnold.nipper@de-cix.net
> mobile: +49 172 2650958
> handle: an6695-ripe
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sabine Dolderer/Denic" <dolderer@denic.de>
> To: "Jan-Ahrent Czmok" <czmok@gatel.net>
> Cc: <apnic-talk@lists.apnic.net>; <apops@lists.apnic.net>; <ddiaz@ripe.net>;
> <joao@ripe.net>; <lir-wg@ripe.net>; <nanog@merit.edu>; <randy@psg.com>;
> <routing-wg@ripe.net>; <tech-l@ams-ix.net>
> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 9:43 AM
> Subject: Re: Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server.
> 
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> DENIC runs currently several secondarys (not only DE but also for some
> other TLDs) in different places worldwide. We are willing to offer
> secondary service for other ccTLDs. But there will be because of
> security/stability reasons a limit on the number of ccTLDs we want to run
> on a single machine.
> 
> Sabine
> 
> --
> Sabine  Dolderer
> DENIC eG
> Wiesenhüttenplatz 26
> D-60329 Frankfurt
> 
> eMail: Sabine.Dolderer@denic.de
> Fon: +49 69 27235 0
> Fax: +49 69 27235 235
> 
> 
> 
>                   Jan-Ahrent
>                   Czmok                An:     Joao Luis Silva Damas
> <joao@ripe.net>
>                   <czmok@gatel.        Kopie:  randy@psg.com,
> ddiaz@ripe.net, routing-wg@ripe.net,
>                   net>                 lir-wg@ripe.net, tech-l@ams-ix.net,
> apops@lists.apnic.net,
>                   Gesendet von:        nanog@merit.edu,
> apnic-talk@lists.apnic.net
>                   owner-lir-wg@        Thema:  Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net
> server.
>                   ripe.net
> 
> 
>                   06.06.2002
>                   01:29
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> PostedDate: 06.06.2002 01:29:37
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> 
> Subject: Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server.
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> WebSubject: Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server.
> 
> 
> On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 01:08:46 +0200
> Joao Luis Silva Damas <joao@ripe.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> At 11:04 -0700 5/6/02, Randy Bush wrote:
>>>> Given the current situation of KPNQwest and the possibility
>>>>  of its services going offline sometime soon, the RIPE NCC in
>>>>  agreement with KPNQwest will be temporally hosting this
>>>>  server (ns.eu.net) in its premises.
>>> 
>>> nice emergency hack and sorry to whine.  but i used them both
>>> to get diversity.
>> 
>> Hi Randy,
>> 
>> there are 16 ccTLDs for which ns.ripe.net and ns.eu.net are both
>> secondary. So we will definitely request those ccTLDs to look for a
>> new host as soon as possible.
> 
> Hi Randy, hi Joao, dear routing-wg,
> 
> probably my Company (GATEL, AS13129) is able to host a secondary
> server for the ccTLDs.
> 
> The question is rather what are the hardware "requirements" for the
> secondary
> server.
> 
> We have sufficient bandwidth capacity available and rack space as well.
> 
>> The rest can take bit more time to think what they want to do since
>> ns.eu.net will keep running.
> 
> Well done ! Congrats for the good ideas and coordination work.
> 
>> 
>> We are offering secondary service on ns.ripe.net for any ccTLD that
>> we weren't sencodaring for, as are other people.
>> 
>> The idea is not to have ns.eu.net running for ever, just to enable
>> people to have time to take rational decisions, without the fear of
>> having the server going away because of some unexpected turn of
>> events.
>> 
>>> 
>>> when in less of a panic, please move it to moscow or something.
>> 
>> Panic? what panic? this is just common sense
>> 
> 
> right. it's not panic.
> 
> --jan
> 
> --
>    Jan Ahrent Czmok - Senior Network Engineer - Access Networks
> Global Access Telecommunications, Inc. - Stephanstr. 3 - 60313 Frankfurt
> voice: +49 69 299896-35 - fax: +49 69 299896-66 - email: czmok@gatel.de
> 
> 
> 
> 





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