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Re: RE: OT: Interesting email I received

  • From: John Neiberger
  • Date: Fri Feb 01 17:40:16 2002

Hmm...I'm still able to reach that site as of 3:30 Mountain 
time.  Perhaps his service hasn't been discontinued after all.  
We can only hope, though.  Surely Qwest won't continue to let 
this bonehead use their network.

Perhaps this is actually a Qwest front company and they're 
trying to lure people into using their bulkmailing services.  
By doing this they can get a lot of the bulk mails to at least 
have the same set of source IP addresses making them easier to 
filter for the rest of us.  :-)  Sort of like a honey pot for 
idiots, because in this case they'd even be paying to use it.

John


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---- On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Joe Blanchard (jblanchard@wyse.com) 
wrote:

> 
> I just had to call that number on his web page
> and ask if it was some sort of joke, The guy 
> there "Paul" didn't have any idea that his
> services were disrupted, and he even seemed 
> excited at the prospect of doing some Bulk/Spam 
> Email for me. 
> 
> When I mentioned I couldn't get to his webpage
> He seemed surprised. I ended the convo with 
> "You should really read the TOS with your ISP" <click>
> 
> hahaha. I would love to hear the conversation between him
> and Qwest Tech/Support. 
> 
> Cheers!
> -Joe
> 
> > ----------
> > From: 	Daniel Lark[SMTP:dlark@elmresources.com]
> > Reply To: 	dlark@elmresources.com
> > Sent: 	Friday, February 01, 2002 2:04 PM
> > To: 	'Christopher A. Woodfield'; 'Dan Hollis'
> > Cc: 	nanog@merit.edu
> > Subject: 	RE: OT: Interesting email I received
> > 
> > 
> > Guess Qwest already yanked 'em. Yay!!!
> > 
> > -dan
> > 
> > traceroute to 65.114.61.35 (65.114.61.35), 30 hops max, 38 
byte
> packets
> >  1  host1.elmresources.com (208.253.213.1)  0.588 ms  0.558 
ms  0.474
> ms
> >  2  958.Serial1-1.GW6.SCL1.ALTER.NET (157.130.213.173)  
10.282 ms 
> 9.652
> > ms  13.142 ms
> >  3  168.at-5-0-0.XR4.SCL1.ALTER.NET (152.63.52.54)  9.691 
ms  10.168
> ms
> > 9.997 ms
> >  4  0.so-1-0-0.XL2.SCL1.ALTER.NET (152.63.55.97)  9.978 ms  
10.341 ms
> > 9.870 ms
> >  5  0.so-6-0-0.XL2.SAC1.ALTER.NET (152.63.54.142)  15.447 
ms  16.494
> ms
> > 15.253 ms
> >  6  0.so-3-0-0.XR2.SAC1.ALTER.NET (152.63.54.2)  14.642 ms  
15.195 ms
> > 14.934 ms
> >  7  184.ATM7-0.BR3.SAC1.ALTER.NET (152.63.50.197)  15.544 
ms  14.990
> ms
> > 15.905 ms
> >  8  sjo-brdr-04.inet.qwest.net (205.171.4.97)  28.136 ms  
27.808 ms
> > 27.985 ms
> >  9  sjo-core-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.22.118)  29.459 ms  
28.163 ms
> > 27.818 ms
> > 10  sjo-core-02.inet.qwest.net (205.171.22.2)  28.376 ms  
27.821 ms
> > 28.014 ms
> > 11  iah-core-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.5.145)  68.262 ms  
68.128 ms
> > 68.277 ms
> > 12  iah-core-02.inet.qwest.net (205.171.31.2)  68.851 ms  
69.238 ms
> > 69.663 ms
> > 13  atl-core-02.inet.qwest.net (205.171.5.194)  101.938 ms  
103.496 ms
> > 101.837 ms
> > 14  atl-edge-14.inet.qwest.net (205.171.21.182)  94.106 ms  
93.772 ms
> > 93.874 ms
> > 15  * * *
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] 
On Behalf
> Of
> > Christopher A. Woodfield
> > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 2:56 PM
> > To: Dan Hollis
> > Cc: Daniel Lark; nanog@merit.edu
> > Subject: Re: OT: Interesting email I received
> > 
> > 
> > Given the latency on the last two hops, I'll bet this is a 
DSL line,
> or
> > someone's 
> > taken it upon themselves to render whatever circuit they 
have
> useless...
> > 
> > -C
> > 
> > On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 12:43:10PM -0800, Dan Hollis wrote:
> > > 
> > > On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Daniel Lark wrote:
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: National ISP [mailto:admin@national-isp.org] 
> > > > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 3:13 PM
> > > > To: dlark@elmresources.com
> > > > Subject: Bulk email ISP
> > > > National ISP Co. is a business class bulk email 
friendly ISP.
> > > > We are dedicated to supporting your company with your
> > > > email advertising program.
> > > > Have the "Peace of Mind",  knowing that you will not be
> > > > shut down by your present ISP.
> > > > our website address is  >>  WWW.NATIONAL-ISP.ORG
> > > 
> > > Tracing the route to NATIONAL-ISP.ORG (65.114.61.35)
> > > [...]
> > >  15 atl-edge-14.inet.qwest.net (205.171.21.182) [AS 209] 
132 msec
> 100
> > msec 144 msec
> > >  16 208.47.124.58 [AS 209] 388 msec 852 msec 608 msec
> > >  17 NATIONAL-ISP.ORG (65.114.61.35) [AS 209] 524 msec 584 
msec 268
> > msec
> > > 
> > > Well, qwest *is* bulk-friendly...
> > > 
> > > -Dan
> > > -- 
> > > [-] Omae no subete no kichi wa ore no mono da. [-]
> > > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > ---------------------------
> > Christopher A. Woodfield		rekoil@semihuman.com
> > 
> > PGP Public Key:
> > http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xB887618B
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">
> <HTML>
> <HEAD>
> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; =
> charset=3DUS-ASCII">
> <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server 
version =
> 5.5.2653.12">
> <TITLE>RE: OT: Interesting email I received</TITLE>
> </HEAD>
> <BODY>
> <BR>
> 
> <P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">I just had 
to call =
> that number on his web page</FONT>
> <BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">and ask 
if it was =
> some sort of joke, The guy </FONT>
> <BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">there =
> "Paul" didn't have any idea that his</FONT>
> <BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">services 
were =
> disrupted, and he even seemed </FONT>
> <BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">excited 
at the =
> prospect of doing some Bulk/Spam </FONT>
> <BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Email for 
me. =
> </FONT>
> </P>
> 
> <P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">When I 
mentioned I =
> couldn't get to his webpage</FONT>
> <BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">He seemed 
=
> surprised. I ended the convo with </FONT>
> <BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">"You 
should =
> really read the TOS with your ISP" <click></FONT>
> </P>
> 
> <P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">hahaha. I 
would love
> =
> to hear the conversation between him</FONT>
> <BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">and Qwest 
=
> Tech/Support. </FONT>
> </P>
> 
> <P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Cheers!
</FONT>
> <BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">-
Joe</FONT>
> </P>
> <UL>
> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"MS Sans Serif">----------</FONT>
> <BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"MS Sans 
Serif">From:</FONT></B>   =
> <FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"MS Sans Serif">Daniel =
> Lark[SMTP:dlark@elmresources.com]</FONT>
> <BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"MS Sans Serif">Reply 
To:</FONT></B> =
>       <FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"MS Sans =
> Serif">dlark@elmresources.com</FONT>
> <BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"MS Sans 
Serif">Sent:</FONT></B>   =
> <FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"MS Sans Serif">Friday, February 01, 
2002 2:04 =
> PM</FONT>
> <BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"MS Sans Serif">To:</FONT></B> =
>     <FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"MS Sans Serif">'Christopher =
> A. Woodfield'; 'Dan Hollis'</FONT>
> <BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"MS Sans Serif">Cc:</FONT></B> =
>     <FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"MS Sans =
> Serif">nanog@merit.edu</FONT>
> <BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"MS Sans 
Serif">Subject:</FONT></B> =
>        <FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"MS Sans =
> Serif">RE: OT: Interesting email I received</FONT>
> </P>
> <BR>
> 
> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Guess Qwest already 
yanked 'em. =
> Yay!!!</FONT>
> </P>
> 
> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">-dan</FONT>
> </P>
> 
> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">traceroute to 65.114.61.35 =
> (65.114.61.35), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> 1  host1.elmresources.com =
> (208.253.213.1)  0.588 ms  0.558 ms  0.474 ms</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> 2  =
> 958.Serial1-1.GW6.SCL1.ALTER.NET (157.130.213.173)  10.282 =
> ms  9.652</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">ms  13.142 ms</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> 3  =
> 168.at-5-0-0.XR4.SCL1.ALTER.NET (152.63.52.54)  9.691 ms  =
> 10.168 ms</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">9.997 ms</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> 4  =
> 0.so-1-0-0.XL2.SCL1.ALTER.NET (152.63.55.97)  9.978 ms  =
> 10.341 ms</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">9.870 ms</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> 5  =
> 0.so-6-0-0.XL2.SAC1.ALTER.NET (152.63.54.142)  15.447 ms  =
> 16.494 ms</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">15.253 ms</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> 6  =
> 0.so-3-0-0.XR2.SAC1.ALTER.NET (152.63.54.2)  14.642 ms  =
> 15.195 ms</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">14.934 ms</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> 7  =
> 184.ATM7-0.BR3.SAC1.ALTER.NET (152.63.50.197)  15.544 ms  =
> 14.990 ms</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">15.905 ms</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> 8  =
> sjo-brdr-04.inet.qwest.net (205.171.4.97)  28.136 ms  27.808 =
> ms</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">27.985 ms</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> 9  =
> sjo-core-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.22.118)  29.459 ms  =
> 28.163 ms</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">27.818 ms</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">10  sjo-core-
02.inet.qwest.net =
> (205.171.22.2)  28.376 ms  27.821 ms</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">28.014 ms</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">11  iah-core-
01.inet.qwest.net =
> (205.171.5.145)  68.262 ms  68.128 ms</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">68.277 ms</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">12  iah-core-
02.inet.qwest.net =
> (205.171.31.2)  68.851 ms  69.238 ms</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">69.663 ms</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">13  atl-core-
02.inet.qwest.net =
> (205.171.5.194)  101.938 ms  103.496 ms</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">101.837 ms</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">14  atl-edge-
14.inet.qwest.net =
> (205.171.21.182)  94.106 ms  93.772 ms</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">93.874 ms</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">15  * * *</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">-----Original Message-----
</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">From: owner-nanog@merit.edu 
=
> [</FONT><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"><A 
=
> HREF=3D"mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu";>mailto:owner-
nanog@merit.edu</A></=
> FONT></U><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">] On Behalf Of</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Christopher A. 
Woodfield</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Sent: Friday, February 01, 
2002 2:56 =
> PM</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">To: Dan Hollis</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Cc: Daniel Lark; =
> nanog@merit.edu</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Subject: Re: OT: 
Interesting email I =
> received</FONT>
> </P>
> <BR>
> 
> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Given the latency on the 
last two =
> hops, I'll bet this is a DSL line, or</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">someone's </FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">taken it upon themselves to 
render =
> whatever circuit they have useless...</FONT>
> </P>
> 
> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">-C</FONT>
> </P>
> 
> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 
12:43:10PM =
> -0800, Dan Hollis wrote:</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> </FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, 
Daniel Lark =
> wrote:</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > -----Original =
> Message-----</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > From: National ISP =
> [</FONT><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"><A 
=
> HREF=3D"mailto:admin@national-isp.org";>mailto:admin@national-
isp.org</A>=
> </FONT></U><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">] </FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > Sent: Friday, February 
01, =
> 2002 3:13 PM</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > To: =
> dlark@elmresources.com</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > Subject: Bulk email =
> ISP</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > National ISP Co. is a =
> business class bulk email friendly ISP.</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > We are dedicated to =
> supporting your company with your</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > email advertising =
> program.</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > Have the "Peace of =
> Mind",  knowing that you will not be</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > shut down by your 
present =
> ISP.</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > our website address =
> is  >>  WWW.NATIONAL-ISP.ORG</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> </FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> Tracing the route to =
> NATIONAL-ISP.ORG (65.114.61.35)</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> [...]</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">>  15 =
> atl-edge-14.inet.qwest.net (205.171.21.182) [AS 209] 132 msec
> 100</FONT>=
> 
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">msec 144 msec</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">>  16 208.47.124.58 [AS 
209] =
> 388 msec 852 msec 608 msec</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">>  17 NATIONAL-ISP.ORG =
> (65.114.61.35) [AS 209] 524 msec 584 msec 268</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">msec</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> </FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> Well, qwest *is* =
> bulk-friendly...</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> </FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> -Dan</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> -- </FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> [-] Omae no subete no 
kichi wa =
> ore no mono da. [-]</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> </FONT>
> </P>
> 
> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">-- </FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">---------------------------
</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Christopher A. =
> Woodfield        =
>         rekoil@semihuman.com</FONT>
> </P>
> 
> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">PGP Public Key:</FONT>
> <BR><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"><A =
> HREF=3D"http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?
op=3Dget&search=3D0xB887618B=
> " =
> TARGET=3D"_blank">http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?
op=3Dget&search=3D=
> 0xB887618B</A></FONT></U>
> </P>
> <BR>
> </UL>
> </BODY>
> </HTML>
> 
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