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Re: DDoS attacks
- From: Mitch Halmu
- Date: Thu Jul 12 15:43:02 2001
On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Christopher A. Woodfield wrote:
> There is absolutely no relation whatsover between MAPS and DDoS attacks,
> at least in the reality of every NANOG subscriber who's not named Mitch
> Halmu, and trying to turn completely unrelated NANOG threads into your
> personal soapbox is, IMHO, in extremely poor taste and professional
Now I remember: you're the semihuman.com centaur, half man and half horse!
How's the nose, still brown? ;)
> Remember, there are people here who make hiring decisions. You
> never know when you might find yourself interviewing with one of them.
What makes you think that I may need a job? Judging from the stock market
conditions, your friends at Metromedia may come knocking first.
> When you stop trying to turn every thread into whining about MAPS and
> your god-given right to run an open relay and every mail server
> admin's divine duty accept email from said open relay, let me know.
> >From a different email address, of course.
The comment was on topic, inspired by remarks likening open SMTP relays
> On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 01:05:54PM -0400, Mitch Halmu wrote:
> > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Brad wrote:
> > > However, the problem here is not-so easy to
> > > take care of on the provider(s) end. I tend to see this
> > > problem more-like open-relay issues. A open-relay SMTP
> > > server is just-as much a pain in the rear as a compromised
> > > windoze box (if not more) and we have several ways to combat
> > > open-relay issues currently through various testing and
> > > filtering systems.
> > No kidding? Your somewhat twisted "re-education" approach finds
> > it perfectly normal to liken an illegal hacker activity (DDoS)
> > with a perfectly legitimate business operation of an ISP, for
> > the "crime" of simply having an open relay SMTP server.
> > Well, I happen to think that communications blackholing enterprises
> > such as the one run by former Abovenet boss Dave Rand and Metromedia
> > employee Paul Vixie are to be likened to denial of service attacks.
> > There should be no question that the guilty party is the actual
> > hacker or spammer. If the legal system doesn't provide ISPs adequate
> > protection under current laws, then new ad-hoc laws should address
> > the problem.
> > --Mitch
> > NetSide
> > http://www.dotcomeon.com
> Christopher A. Woodfield firstname.lastname@example.org
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