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Re: Getting an AS and /18

  • From: David R Huberman
  • Date: Mon Jul 02 22:37:17 2001


Please understand that the rules are different for cable providers.
They are required to SWIP only to their head-ends, but it must be
SWIP, not RWHOIS. This is typically a small number of SWIPs, as
you SWIP out to geographically-central head-ends.

/david


> 
> Andy,
> I just went through all this myself.  I'm not a cable modem provider, so
> the rules may be slightly different.
> 
> In the beginning, I had SWIP'd records.  However, as most net admins, I
> had fallen way behind on this.  Here's what I did to rectify my problem:
> 
> a) Created a spreadsheet listing parent CIDR delgations from our
> upstream.  Broke those out into subnets that we delegate to customers,
> ping scan them periodically, and get a max utilization.  Sum your total
> current space and max usage, get a percentage.  So long as the company
> holds 1 ip over a /19, they are eligible for a /18 AFAIK.
> 
> b) Apply for an ASN at this point.  Tell ARIN you are going to be
> multihoming, and can provide signed contracts with ISP's proving this.
> Without multihoming, you don't need an ASN -- your upstream should be
> more than happy to announce your address space for you later on.
> 
> c) Take all that spreadsheet data, and throw it into an rwhois server.
> For a /20 worth of addresses, this took me the better part of 3-4 days
> of data entry. I would expect it would take one person 12-16 days for a
> /18 worth of addresses.  Need it faster?  Throw more people at data
> entry.
> 
> d) Get your rwhoisd server up and running.  By this time, you should
> have your ASN number (took us about 1 week).  Fill out the IPv4 request
> template.  Send it in.  After a day or two, they'll email you back
> asking you a few things about your policies on how you decide how many
> IP's a customer gets.  I think that they just want to hear the policies
> that they have on their website (i.e. target 80% utilization within 3
> months).  1 week later you should have an allocation.
> 
> e) Start migrating stuff over.  When you make delegations in your new
> /18, put them in your rwhois server.  You'll need it when you go back to
> ask for more address space in a year, and why go through all this stress
> more than once.
> 
> If they give you grief about a /18, ask for a /19 and ask them to
> "reserve" the other /19 space within a /18.  Prove to them that you are
> effectively utilizing the /19 and they'll probably give/sell you the
> other half.
> 
> Someone else here mentioned that the folks at ARIN are truly helpful --
> They are.  I emailed them a few times asking for clarification on some
> of the forms, and I had answers within the hour.
> 
> My $0.02, and I just turned up my ASN and my netblock today!
> 
> On Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 05:50:55PM -0700, Andy Ellifson wrote:
> > 
> > Bob said it better than myself.  I just want help compling with ARIN's
> > rules and justifications to get some address space for this customer. 
> > When the documentation comes back wanting signed contracts, receipts
> > for the equipment, SWIP information......... and so on... It seems like
> > a daunting task.  
> > 
> > I nor the customer have never been through this before.  I just wanted
> > to get input from someone that has gone through it before.  I certainly
> > wouldn't want ARIN handing out a /18 to a business that will never
> > utilize it.  I understand why the rules and justifications are in
> > place.
> > 
> > --- Bob K <melange@yip.org> wrote:
> > > 
> > > So re-reading Andy's post, I think people have misread it - he
> > > doesn't
> > > appear to be asking for help in circumventing ARIN's procedures, he
> > > wants
> > > help in following it, if one notes the actual questions he asks:
> > > 
> > > > > Does ARIN require a ton of SWIPS be present for the customer
> > > before
> > > > > they will issue address space?
> > > 
> > > > > Does anyone know of a person they can talk to at ARIN to help
> > > with
> > > > > this process?
> > > 
> > > But that's just my take on it.
> > > 
> > > On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Daniel Golding wrote:
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I suspect this is a troll. However, I'll take the bait...
> > > > 
> > > > Why should this organization get any sort of special treatment?
> > > Because they
> > > > have been too slack to properly SWIP their blocks? Because they
> > > don't feel
> > > > like submitting the proper documentation?
> > > > 
> > > > You posit that the customer genuinely needs the address space. How
> > > do we, as
> > > > an Internet community discover that? The only way is documentation.
> > > > 
> > > > I find it rather hard to believe that an organization without an
> > > AS,
> > > > qualifies for a /18, based on the published criteria - they did
> > > take the
> > > > time to read those, right?
> > > > 
> > > > Andy, you request help to circumvent a process that is far from
> > > perfect, yet
> > > > is our best hedge against the unscrupulous. I suppose the best
> > > advise for
> > > > them is to hire a consultant who is fully conversant in the
> > > procedures for
> > > > obtaining address spaces and an AS number. That's their best bet.
> > > > 
> > > > - Daniel Golding
> > > > 
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On
> > > Behalf Of
> > > > > Andy Ellifson
> > > > > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 6:50 PM
> > > > > To: nanog@merit.edu
> > > > > Subject: Getting an AS and /18
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a customer that is a cable modem provider.  They submitted
> > > the
> > > > > form to request an AS and some address space.  The response from
> > > ARIN
> > > > > wanted a ton of documentation.  I understand why ARIN requires
> > > all of
> > > > > the documentation.  Does ARIN require a ton of SWIPS be present
> > > for the
> > > > > customer before they will issue address space?  This customer
> > > genuinely
> > > > > needs the address space but doesn't have the time to gather up
> > > all the
> > > > > information that is 'required'.  Does anyone know of a person
> > > they can
> > > > > talk to at ARIN to help with this process?
> > > > >
> > > > > -Andy Ellifson
> > > > >
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> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > Bob <melange@yip.org> | Stop dwelling and start living.
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > =====
> > Andy Ellifson
> > 
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> > 
> 
> -- 
> Marius Strom <marius@marius.org>
> Professional Geek/Unix System Administrator
> URL: http://www.marius.org/
> http://www.marius.org/marius.pgp 0xF5D89089 *updated 2001-02-26*
>  
> It is a natural law. Physics tells us that for every action, there must be an
> equal and opposite reaction. They hate us, we hate them, they hate us back and
> so, here we are, victims of mathematics.
> -- Londo, "A Voice in the Wilderness I"
> 

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