Merit Network
Can't find what you're looking for? Search the Mail Archives.
  About Merit   Services   Network   Resources & Support   Network Research   News   Events   Home

Discussion Communities: Merit Network Email List Archives

North American Network Operators Group

Date Prev | Date Next | Date Index | Thread Index | Author Index | Historical

RE: GRC rides again...

  • From: Roeland Meyer
  • Date: Mon Jul 02 10:35:25 2001

That sounds like a very good reason to NOT use QoS.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Israel [mailto:davei@biohazard.demon.digex.net]
> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 7:24 AM
> To: Roeland Meyer
> Cc: 'rdobbins@netmore.net'; 'David Howe'; nanog@merit.edu
> Subject: RE: GRC rides again...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I doubt it. In fact, a clever hacker could figure out who has paid
> for what qos, and use it to give attacking traffic high priority.
> It adds another variable; it doesn't present a solution.
> 
> On 7/2/2001 at 07:15:08 -0700, Roeland Meyer said:
> > 
> > Yes, but my first question was wrt QoS. Would it do any good?
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Roland Dobbins [mailto:rdobbins@netmore.net]
> > > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 7:12 AM
> > > To: Roeland Meyer
> > > Cc: 'David Howe'; nanog@merit.edu
> > > Subject: Re: GRC rides again...
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Implementing fully-compliant sockets in XP is -not- a 
> security issue.
> > > 
> > > There're LOTS of things wrong with the way Microsoft do 
> > > things, but this 
> > > simply isn't one of them.  It's just amazing to me how 
> credulous the 
> > > public are when harangued by such an obvious snake-oil salesman.
> > > 
> > > Steve Gibson, a hero in his own mind.
> > > 
> > > Roeland Meyer wrote:
> > > 
> > > >>From: David Howe [mailto:DaveHowe@gmx.co.uk]
> > > >>Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 2:48 AM
> > > >>
> > > >>... With yet another "update" to the DDos pages.
> > > >>http://grc.com/dos/intro.htm
> > > >>and I quote:
> > > >>
> > > > 
> > > >>>Unfortunately, today we see only the operation of blind 
> > > >>>
> > > >>self-interest from
> > > >>
> > > >>>Microsoft and the Internet's ISP's
> > > >>>
> > > >>As I seem to recall several members of this list offered him 
> > > >>help (and were rebuffed) perhaps they
> > > >>would like to comment? He seems increasingly lost in
> > > >>a fantasy world where everyone is out to get him....
> > > >>
> > > > 
> > > > The question I have is, would QoS would do any good here?
> > > > 
> > > > Other then that, he seems to be on a rant here. As much as 
> > > I hate to say it,
> > > > I almost agree with MSFT here. That said, Novell stated, 
> > > decades ago, that
> > > > MSFT never could understand network security. At the time, 
> > > I agreed with
> > > > Novell. Current observation is, that MSFT has yet to learn. 
> > > Considering
> > > > MSFT's workstation market-share, that is a problem for 
> all of us.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Roland Dobbins <mordant@gothik.org> // 408.859.4137 voice
> > > 
> > 
> 
> -- 
> Dave Israel
> Senior Manager, IP Backbone
> Intermedia Business Internet
> 




Discussion Communities


About Merit | Services | Network | Resources & Support | Network Research
News | Events | Contact | Site Map | Merit Network Home


Merit Network, Inc.