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Re: Beer and Gear surprise

  • From: Dave Snodgrass
  • Date: Thu Feb 22 13:52:13 2001

From: "Ukyo Kuonji" <>
Subject: Beer and Gear (Last one by me)

I thought the above subject indicated that you were indeed going to shut up
about not getting free underpants.

Guess Not....

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ukyo Kuonji" <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: Beer and Gear surprise

> Why would someone need to buy Merit?  Nanog doesn't belong to Merit, does
> it?  Funny, I though it was the North American Network Operators' Group.
> Doesn't that imply that it collectively belongs to those of use that
> consider ourselves operators?
> I don't think people are getting it.  It's not about the vendorwear that
> eliminated.  My point is that someone made a decision about the meeting
> without even informing the people that were going to attend the meeting
> beforehand.  There was no discussion about it beforehand, no information
> afterwards, and no mention of it when we signed up for the meeting.  The
> only notification that I saw was a addendum to the charter dated November
> 2000 which was as long as the original charter.
> My question, I guess, is this:
> 1)  What does Merit do for Nanog?
> Looks to me like they help organize the meetings (Which are funded
> by registration fees and vendor donations, and are supposed to be
> by the hosting organization), host the web site (which has little content
> it) and host the mailing list.  Am I missing anything else?
> 2)  What gives Merit the right to make decisions about the group without
> consulting the membership?
> (Hint:  It's not in the charter, or anywhere else I could find)
> 3)  If Merit is not listening to it's membership, and is only providing
> web page and mailing list, is there a reason why they are still hosting
> (Hint:  It's not in the charter.)
> I would propose one of the following:
> 1)  The NANOG Charter needs to be revised into a more inclusive charter
> which includes the resolution of conflicts within the membership, review
> the officials actions by the membership and removal of officials by the
> membership in the event that the actions are in conflict with the
> or charter.  There should also be included, in the charter, how to revise
> and amend the charter.  In this option, Merit would still be the ruling
> body.
> 2)  Remove Merit from the ruling body.  There is no reason, today, that
> web site and mailing list could not be hosted by someone else.  I do not
> believe that Merit is doing a bad job, but there isn't that much work
> involved in providing this service.  The charter states that meetings are
> be organized by the hosting company.  I don't see a reason why this could
> not continue.  The charter will still need to be resizes, however to
> the items from option 1
> 3)  Continue to live under the rule of a ruling body that does not consult
> of inform it's membership or decisions that affect the membership and
> meetings.
> Merit is under no obligation, at this point, to continue to offer services
> to NANOG, and the membership has no recourse of action under the current
> charter.
> I don't want to play politics, but I think something needs to be done.
> UK
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