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Re: Government scrutiny is headed our way

  • From: Jay R. Ashworth
  • Date: Tue Jun 16 15:34:49 1998

On Tue, Jun 16, 1998 at 02:10:29PM -0500, Karl Denninger wrote:
> > Didn't say there wasn't a problem.  Just don't let's go _there_, ok?
> No, we need to go there.
> "Voluntary" cooperation isn't working, because the major NOCs don't 
> cooperate.  Like ever.  I've given up reporting these and just block the
> amplifiers, because it is POINTLESS to spend 30 minutes on hold to get a 
> NOC person on the phone who either refuses assistance or refuses to 
> escalate the matter to someone who knows what to do.
> Since they don't cooperate, the only two defenses are:
> 1.	Black-hole detected amplifier networks (what we're doing here).

Indeed.  And what I think is the best approach.  Kick 'em in the

> 2.	Government intervention to slap penalties on those who don't
> 	cooperate with such reports, and vendors who don't make it 
> 	possible for NOCs to cooperate *reasonably*.

Governments have a demonstrated habit of not building such constraints
so as to incent (I hate that word, but can't think of an acceptable
synonym just now) the _right_ changes in behavior patterns -- this is
the same discussion as was just had about Usenet cancel messages a
couple hours ago.

> I'd really like it if this didn't have to happen.  Seriously.  But as long
> as network operators decide to play stupid when they are hit with these
> requests, and/or just tell you to bite it (and I've heard both) then the 
> two above steps are both reasonable and necessary.

I think that the approach here is to find the executive level people to
whom those people report, and explain to _them_ that if they don't get
their houses in order, the government is likely to do it for them.

-- jra
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