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Re: Class "B" forsale (fwd)

  • From: Tom Glover
  • Date: Mon Mar 10 08:54:45 1997

Good question! Would the bankrupt court consider the address space as a
sellable asset?

On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, Alex P. Rudnev wrote:

> Hmm, let's make your questions more complex - if I own ISP and this ISP 
> bacame bankrupt, wpuld it's address space be - selled, returned, owned by 
> it's customers, etc... ???
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, 9 Mar 1997, Tom Glover wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I "kind" of agree. :) If I own a company, lets call it Acme, which has an
> > internet connection and that company is making use of a class B address
> > space it got from the 'NIC and if I sell Acme does that address block need
> > to be returned?  Another example is if I own an ISP that has several
> > blocks of address space. What happens if I sell the ISP? Do the address
> > blocks get returned? If Acme has to return their address blocks upon the
> > sale of the company and the ISP doesn't on its sale, we've got a situation
> > which would keep lawyers in Lexus for decades. If the answer is that you
> > can legitimately transfer an address block if you sell the company then
> > there's a nice big loophole. Anyone with a class B for sale could simply
> > form a company and then sell it.
> > 
> > Now I don't own a sellable address block. I'm just playing devil's
> > advocate in what appears to be a very interesting quandary.
> > 
> > On Sun, 9 Mar 1997, Brett L. Hawn wrote:
> > 
> > > On Sun, 9 Mar 1997, David R. Conrad wrote:
> > > 
> > > > >	The way I see it, it is worth no more than $10,000. As that is what
> > > > >ARIN is going to charge any corp to get a Class B. 
> > > > 
> > > > How much is your time (spent making up and writing the justification for
> > > > a class B) worth?
> > > 
> > > I think you miss my point, since the ARIN is for all intents and purposes
> > > selling address space, who are they to say no? Apparently someone made a
> > > case for a class B at one time or another, no longer needs it (for whatever
> > > reason) and wants to pass it on to someone else and make a little profit in
> > > at the same time. Now granted, I don't neccessarily agree with what they're
> > > doing, but I certainly can't say anything 'wrong' about it either. I mean,
> > > lets think about this for a second.
> > > 
> > > Say I 'own' the fictional block 223.101.0.0, its swipped to me, everything
> > > is in order as it should be. I decide for whatever reason to turn off my
> > > routers, sell my equipment and move to the Caymans to enjoy the rest of my
> > > life. I now have two choices, 1: Return my block to ARIN, or 2: Sell my
> > > block to someone else and make a small (or large for that matter, I'm sure I
> > > could sell it for a interesting sum of money) profit.
> > > 
> > > scenario 1:
> > > 
> > > It gets returned and some other poor fool has to jump through flaming hoops
> > > and surive a pool of toxic waste to get a few IPs.
> > > 
> > > scenario 2:
> > > 
> > > I change all the records to point to them, swip it out to them, basically do
> > > everything needed to make them the legitimate 'owners' of that block, they
> > > pay me a nice lump of cash and we're both happy.
> > > 
> > > As I see it, changing ownership of IPs is no different than changing
> > > ownership of a domain. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > [-]                Brett L. Hawn (blh @ nol dot net)                       [-]
> > > [-]                Networks On-Line - Houston, Texas                       [-]
> > > [-]                           713-467-7100                                 [-]
> > > 
> > 
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Tom
> >   ________________________________________________________________________
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> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> Aleksei Roudnev, Network Operations Center, Relcom, Moscow
> (+7 095) 194-19-95 (Network Operations Center Hot Line),(+7 095) 239-10-10, N 13729 (pager)
> (+7 095) 196-72-12 (Support), (+7 095) 194-33-28 (Fax)
> 

--
Regards,
Tom
  ________________________________________________________________________
 |   "The Egg Domain"    |       "And all you touch and all you see,      | 
 |    tomg@egg.com       |          is all your life will ever be."       |
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