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RE: root update message

  • From: Jim Fleming
  • Date: Sat Mar 01 13:23:09 1997
  • Encoding: 195 TEXT

Mr. Jon Postel
University of Southern California
California, USA



Jon,

As I am sure you are aware, TRUE Root Name Servers are intended to
provide stability to the Internet. RFC 2010 has many good ideas about
how to harden these servers. All of the other TRUE Root Name Servers
that I am aware of are following RFC 2010 to the letter. Are the new
servers you describe, 2010 compliant ?

In your note below you point out that these four machines are temporarily
housed at ISI, which I assume means the University of Southern California.
In the U.S. Government's InterNIC file [shown below], it indicates that
two of the machines are at NSI which I assume is Network Solutions, Inc.
Can you be more specific ?

A traceroute to one of the machines goes via LN.NET, an ISP that you run.
The leg before that is via "genuity" where you are on the Board of Directors
of this Bechtel funded company <http://www.genuity.net>. Are LN.NET
or Bechtel involved in this project ?

As more TLD Registries come on line, they will depend on the various
confederations of TRUE Root Name Servers for service. There will be
many reasons why ISPs and companies select the confederation they
use. As long as each confederation refers users to the proper TLD
Name Servers, downstream caching is coherent because the TLD
name servers do most of the real work.

Having said this, I am curious whether you view your NEW Root Name
Servers to be purely for researchers to use or whether you intend
broader use? I note that you mention this is an "experiment". Are
you concerned that ISPs might use these servers and experience
operational integrity problems ? Should ISPs be cautious about that ?
Have you been following the discussions on the NANOG list regarding
some of the problems they have had with the legacy Root Name Servers ?

Since everyone's goal is to make sure the Internet remains
stable and grows in an organized way that does not deny service
to people around the world, I think that actions taken in the
arena of TRUE Root Name Servers need to be done carefully.
As I am sure you are aware, once ISPs adopt certain servers
they rarely change and they follow the U.S. Government's lead.

I also note that you are using the U.S. Government's InterNIC
file distribution system to easily facilitate the wide-spread adoption
of these  "experimental" servers. Can you explain who at the
National Science Foundation (NSF) authorized that action ?

In light of the fact that some mail lists seem to filter information
and some now appear to be deleting postings from their archives.
I am posting this to several groups that I feel will be interested
and involved in these discussions.

Thanks for your time.



Jim Fleming
Unir Corporation


====================
[1]
 4  sprint-nap.WestOrange.mci.net (204.70.1.210)  208.143 ms  220.508 ms  203.63 ms
 5  genuity.sprintnap.net (192.157.69.49)  39.077 ms  25.241 ms  25.688 ms
 6  core1.lax1.genuity.net (207.240.0.5)  86.219 ms  75.991 ms *
 7  mla.ln.net (198.32.146.10)  78.953 ms  73.345 ms  73.039 ms
 8  l.root-servers.net (198.32.64.12)  114.668 ms  111.243 ms *                

[2] On Friday, February 28, 1997 4:44 PM, postel@ISI.EDU wrote:
@ 
@ Hello:
@ 
@ There are now two more root servers root servers serving ".". The names of 
@ these two machines are:
@ 
@   l.root-servers.net 198.32.64.12
@   m.root-servers.net 198.32.65.12
@ 
@ The latest root servers list will be found at:
@   ftp://rs.internic.net/domain/named.ca
@ 
@ Checksum:
@   MD5 (named.ca) c6411a337311264bfb2c3edc7726e19c
@ 
@ These machines are temporarily housed at ISI till their suitable home 
@ is found. All four (j, k, l, & m) will eventually be moved to various 
@ international locations that are "close" to the center of the internet and
@ will only run "." in a non-recursive mode.  This is being done as an 
@ experiment with running "." on separate machines from the existing iTLD's.
@ 
@ ;       This file holds the information on root name servers needed to
@ ;       initialize cache of Internet domain name servers
@ ;       (e.g. reference this file in the "cache  .  <file>"
@ ;       configuration file of BIND domain name servers).
@ ;
@ ;       This file is made available by InterNIC registration services
@ ;       under anonymous FTP as
@ ;           file                /domain/named.root
@ ;           on server           FTP.RS.INTERNIC.NET
@ ;       -OR- under Gopher at    RS.INTERNIC.NET
@ ;           under menu          InterNIC Registration Services (NSI)
@ ;              submenu          InterNIC Registration Archives
@ ;           file                named.root
@ ;
@ ;       last update:    Feb 28, 1997
@ ;       related version of root zone:   1997022800
@ ;
@ ;
@ ; formerly NS.INTERNIC.NET
@ ;
@ .                        3600000  IN  NS    A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.
@ A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.      3600000      A     198.41.0.4
@ ;
@ ; formerly NS1.ISI.EDU
@ ;
@ .                        3600000      NS    B.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.
@ B.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.      3600000      A     128.9.0.107
@ ;
@ ; formerly C.PSI.NET
@ ;
@ .                        3600000      NS    C.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.
@ C.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.      3600000      A     192.33.4.12
@ ;
@ ; formerly TERP.UMD.EDU
@ ;
@ .                        3600000      NS    D.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.
@ D.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.      3600000      A     128.8.10.90
@ ;
@ ; formerly NS.NASA.GOV
@ ;
@ .                        3600000      NS    E.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.
@ E.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.      3600000      A     192.203.230.10
@ ;
@ ; formerly NS.ISC.ORG
@ ;
@ .                        3600000      NS    F.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.
@ F.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.      3600000      A     192.5.5.241
@ ;
@ ; formerly NS.NIC.DDN.MIL
@ ;
@ .                        3600000      NS    G.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.
@ G.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.      3600000      A     192.112.36.4
@ ;
@ ; formerly AOS.ARL.ARMY.MIL
@ ;
@ .                        3600000      NS    H.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.
@ H.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.      3600000      A     128.63.2.53
@ ;
@ ; formerly NIC.NORDU.NET
@ ;
@ .                        3600000      NS    I.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.
@ I.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.      3600000      A     192.36.148.17
@ ;
@ ; temporarily housed at NSI (InterNIC)
@ ;
@ .                        3600000      NS    J.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.
@ J.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.      3600000      A     198.41.0.10
@ ;
@ ; temporarily housed at NSI (InterNIC)
@ ;
@ .                        3600000      NS    K.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.
@ K.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.      3600000      A     198.41.0.11
@ ;
@ ; temporarily housed at ISI (IANA)
@ ;
@ .                        3600000      NS    L.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.
@ L.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.      3600000      A     198.32.64.12
@ ;
@ ; temporarily housed at ISI (IANA)
@ ;
@ .                        3600000      NS    M.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.
@ M.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.      3600000      A     198.32.65.12
@ ; End of File
@ 
@ -- 
@ 
@ --jon.
@ 
@ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
@ 
@ 

--
Jim Fleming
Unir Corporation

e-mail:
JimFleming@unety.net
JimFleming@unety.s0.g0 (EDNS/IPv8)

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