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Re: Big providers use NAT to squeeze little ISPs

  • From: Alan Hannan
  • Date: Wed Feb 26 21:31:54 1997

  I see that you've no interest in defending the accusations you so
  wildly make.

  I'll go back to my life of ad-hominen attacks and mistyping of access
  lists.  At least I'm honest about it.

  -alan

> 
> >   I will restart my question as such:
> > 
> >   It is my understanding that;
> > 
> >   One of your principal objections to NAT boxes is that they are
> >   motivated by technical and trade practices you find dishonest.
> > 
> >   Please define and expound.
> 
> My principal objection to NAT is that it breaks lots of things, including
> some servers, that customers want to put on their networks.
> 
> At the PROVIDER level, especially at the level we run at, there is no NAT
> box made fast enough to do the job regardless of price.
> 
> >   Do you really think that big ISP puts in /19 filters to make life
> >   hard for the "little guy" at the bottom of the "money pile"?
> > 
> >   -alan
> 
> As long as a provider can get their own /19 I have no problem with
> prefix filtering at the /19 level.
> 
> The problem comes about when big ISPs filter at /19s *AND* the allocators 
> of space refuse to give ISPs /19s.
> 
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