NANOG-futures

[Sean Figgins]

Donald Stahl wrote:
>> By charter nothing is off-topic on -futures, but that doesn't mean the
>> current content is not a ridiculous waste of time.

I gotta agree with Rob.  The current discussion looks like nothing but 
two overgrown sarcastic children having a whining contest.

> The original question was whether basic networking questions not relevant 
> to large network operators were on topic for NANOG. Specifically whether 
> basic questions about MTU on a home DSL connection, or how to add multiple 
> default routes to FreeBSD (both by the same person in separate posts) are 
> sensible topics of conversation for the NANOG list.

I'm not sure what would fit the definition of "large network operators" 
and would be relevant to the NA part of NANOG.  It seems to me that this 
would then limit the list to a handful of companies today, and for that, 
we might as well call for a disbanding of NANOG.

We were all beginners at once, and limiting the participants to the 5 or 
6 North American networks that would fit into the category of large 
would just be completely pointless, and a sure thing to signal the end. 
  I'd say that we could reduce the number of actual participants for a 
couple dozen at that point, and most of those would not likely participate.

But, lets be serious.  Most of the large networks probably don't care 
about NANOG.  They have smart people, and access to smarter people, and 
have very large pull with the vendors.  I doubt that they are going to 
learn much here that they don't already know.  NANOG is really for 
everyone EXCEPT the large networks.  It's for the people that are still 
learning, and companies that are still growing, small to medium size 
networks.

And your question about the master carpenter and building the network 
and blaming the vendor...  If you seriously thing you are right there, 
you have a completely different version of reality than most of us have 
experienced.  Master carpenters usually have apprentices, and they 
usually start out by not even knowing how to hold a hammer right.  My 
uncle is a master framer, and has lots of apprentices.

> I apologize if we're wasting your time.

And that just sounds sarcastic.  You're almost taking the sarcastic 
prise from Randy.

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