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Re: [Nanog-futures] [BULK] Re: Mailing list procedures for reviewbythe NANOG community

  • From: michael.dillon
  • Date: Tue Mar 04 08:17:24 2008

> >     MLC is not the list police - we expect
> >     community to self-moderate
> >
> >  and:
> >
> >     Guiding the conversation without stifling
> >     the discussion
> >
> >  and:
> >
> >     New initiatives
> >     - Thread summaries - time-intensive
> >
> >  But your document about MLC procedures doesn't seem to 
> cover  those 
> > things but focuses on POLICING activities.

> This isn't my document. It's yours.

If part of the MLC's task is to guide the conversation, provide
thread summaries, and other positive cultivating actions, then
why not write that down in the MLC procedures guide.

If the MLC procedures are the property of the community,
as you have just said, then why not write that down too.

Is the MLC fundamentally, the list police?
Or are they the list shepherds/gardeners?

A list policeman issues warnings, but a list gardener would
ask the miscreant to write a thread summary in lieu of a 
warning, thus turning the situation around. Think Lao-Tzu,
not Machiavelli.

I realize that the MLC doesn't issue a lot of warnings, but that
is partly because they don't want to feel like policemen. Perhaps
they would intervene more often, if they had some carrot-like
tools in their arsenal as well as the big stick.

Of course, if your only goal is to document the status quo, then
don't listen to me. I always view these things as an opportunity
to improve things and move beyond the status quo so I'm just 
raining on your party.

--Michael Dillon

P.S. one way to write a DRAFT document, is to start with a brain 
dump of everything one could possibly think of including, no matter
how silly. Rather like brainstorming. I think that the NANOG steering
group situation is fluid enough at present, that this would be a
good way to approach documenting the MLC procedures. But brainstorming
works better with a wiki than with a PDF document. 

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